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Which Is Better Indian Broadband Service Provider – MTNL or SIFY?

February 7th, 2010 / No Comments » / by rajeshmago

Hi,

Selecting the right internet broadband service provider can be difficult if you have to choose from many ISP’s. Consider yourself lucky if you get the chance of selecting one ISP from many ISP’s available in your region. In remote areas, the Internet Service Providers are less and hence one has to select one ISP from a small list of ISP’s.


The current topic of the post is focussed on my views of who is the best ISP between MTNL and SIFY.

For my international readers, who are not aware of these ISP’s, here are the general tips that I wrote for choosing the right Internet Connectivity provider:

http://www.pctipstricks.com/tips-for-choosing-the-best-isp-internet-service-provider-in-your-region-part-1/

http://www.pctipstricks.com/tips-for-choosing-the-best-isp-internet-service-provider-in-your-region-part-2/

The blog readers outside India will not know about MTNL and SIFY, but they can use this post as a reference to select one ISP from their list similar to mine, i.e., having one government ISP (MTNL) and other private, i.e., SIFY.

Had I included Tata and Reliance ISP’s in the list, it would have taken little more time for you to come with the answer as there would have been more competition. But here, it’s a no brainer as for most of the people MTNL would be of course a better internet service provider. Why I am saying this? The reasons in the form of a comparison are written in this post which is based on my true experiences with both of the ISP’s service, support etc.

I can be little biased with MTNL as I have been using it only for three months whereas I used SIFY for more than two years and got it disconnected as it was a pain. Spending half an hour (on average) every day on getting the same problems: Destination host unreachable – due to power not available at SIFY local end – no UPS backup at NSIT, Dwarka; BB 101 – unable to reach gateway/SIFY server and packet loss of usually 4- 40% either to gateway or Internet etc., booked and then coordinating was proving too costly to me.

This post will also help people who have similar thinking as I had before trying MTNL – a government ISP that private ISP’s provide better internet surfing service than government ones.

Coming back to the post, here are the comparisons of SIFY and MTNL broadband service providers based on my real life usage and experiences:

Parameter for judging ISP

SIFY

MTNL
Broadband Infrastructure The broadband infrastructure of Satyam is less than of MTNL (Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Limited). SIFY is a private concern and has less amount of money to spend on their broadband network. Thus they try to suck as much as possible from their existing broadband network without upgrading the hardware etc. letting the customers suffer.

SIFY had provided broadband connection (last mile) at my residence – NSIT, Sector 3, Dwarka, New Delhi and what SIFY used to call here as a Control room (located in Boys hostel) doesn’t even have any room. Their UPS – the only one, didn’t give backup when tested by me, was covered with wooden planks (to get cover from dust and heat etc.), the SU (Supervisory Unit), cables and radio router etc. were all in the open, in the reach of anyone so that it can be damaged by anyone. Even a dog can easily go and piss on their ISP hardware in the so called state of art hardware Control room.

There were incidents when their SU and broadband equipment was damaged by the Boys hostel -1 boys (after they drunk in the party) but SIFY and the franchisee never cared for this. They (SIFY and the CTO) openly blamed each other for this. They didn’t even bother to take a separate room and raise the height of their antenna. The reason was the rent of the room and the work which nor SIFY nor their franchisee wanted to do.

The broadband solution provided at NSIT, Sector 3, Dwarka is outdated: connectivity through LAN cables, switch, limited bandwidth through radio link between the staff quarters and boys hostel with radio link gateway that leads to frequent cabling and other packet loss issues.

SIFY couldn’t provide a UPS at all the places where their broadband network hardware was installed in even two years. They call it a hybrid technology with a mix of Ethernet and radio links with mesh of wires hanging at low height at most of the places in the NSIT.

When too many students started using the SIFY connection in the night, the download speed reduced and the packet loss started happening. Some time it continued till morning as most of them left movies download to continue whole night. Some of the students were using the SIFY BB last mile LAN to do transfer of files from one PC to another.

Nobody bothered to maintain the Ethernet cables and antennas and in bad weather, SIFY broadband network went for a toss for 1-2 days at least. Once SIFY CTO took three days for changing a DC adapter of a network device.

The maximum amount of downtime at my end was 10 days where SIFY and CTO fought with each other about changing the SU (Supervisory Unit) – a unit costing INR 20K – 25K.

The customer has to configure LAN, install antivirus (a must thing) and install software called SIFY broadband client that keeps track of the customer Internet usage.

Rating for broadband infrastructure (SIFY): 4/10

The broadband infrastructure of MTNL, a government concern cannot be compared with SIFY. MTNL has invested crores of rupees and has better broadband technology of triband ADSL which consists of mixture of underground copper and fiber cables and high capacity radio links.The termination at customer end is the PC’s LAN port – RJ45 that connects to the LAN card and RJ11 port that connects to the telephone. The customer also gets some free calls every month which is missing at SIFY end.

MTNL has a proper exchange at the last mile and I have not faced issues due to bad broadband infrastructure at the last mile so far. Also, the customer has to take a telephone line from MTNL for the broadband connection and thus it is not a viable option for students which are too many at the place (Engineering college) where I live. Only few people in my residence area have taken the MTNL broadband connection which is a plus point for me.

There is no software that needs to be used when using the MTNL connection, only the broadband modem and the LAN card needs to be configured once primarily for IP, gateway, PVC, broadband number and DNS server. No antivirus or broadband client like SIFY is needed.

Rating for broadband infrastructure (MTNL): 7/10

Technical Support The technical support of SIFY is nonsense. When call was made at 6293501 (from Delhi), it was mostly routed to SIFY, Chennai and the support persons are not well educated to understand and help customers in troubleshooting. They used to will give you troubleshooting tips that make no sense mostly to the actual problem. Also, they cannot help you most of the times and will say that they will pass it to their technical backend support that takes 1-2 business days to respond.

SIFY is obviously keeping new untrained persons who are getting on the job training by harassing customers and learning from the customer’s knowledge.

You would be lucky if you are able to actually speak to some one after pressing the required keys through SIFY IVRS. Sometimes, it just goes into loop and you would wonder what you are doing wrong. Sometimes, the person will pick up and the call will get disconnected. Now, where you will complain about the SIFY broadband complaint IVRS? Actually no where! I never got any call back ever after leaving my number when their customer care executives were busy.

Example of technical competency of SIFY Support would be: If you tell them that you are downloading a file on FTP and getting 5-7 KBps download speed for last 3 hours for a 256 Kbps connection, they will tell you to clear your Microsoft Internet Explorer cookies etc. Now what has a FTP program to do with browser cookies if you are directly downloading through FTP windows command or some FTP GUI software. Only Satyam Infoway technical support knows the answer to this.

There are several classic examples that I can write to show that SIFY broadband technical support persons are uneducated, completely new and are incompetent to handle most of the broadband support calls. Most of them don’t know what Ping or FTP is!

The SIFY Engineers knows how to tell lies and are technically incompetent to address the main issue.

If I start giving you the relevant examples, the blog will be full and it won’t lead anywhere. I am never going to use their service now.

They couldn’t sort out the issue of frequent packet loss to the local gateway and Internet in two and a half years. Their top bosses and Regional Managers come to the offices for sleeping.

I sent so many emails to SIFY Customer Care and their top bosses but no one could give a permanent solution to the ON and OFF frequent and too much packet loss issue on their network. More than 4% packet loss is not allowed by TRAI but SIFY local network was so bad that it used to mostly give more than 4% to 40% packet loss in night time. I still have screenshots to prove this, showing and discussing this with anyone in SIFY was just wasting of time.

The time for fixing a problem as claimed by SIFY is 1 business day and they have normally always exceeded it with some of the problems like “packet loss of more than 4%” and Unable to reach SIFY server/ gateway happening almost on average every day. The packet loss problem of more than 4% in night time was not solved permanently in two and a half years.

Rating for SIFY technical support: 3/10

Technical Support for MTNL Delhi broadband users is available through 1504 and is outsourced to some company which forwards the calls to MTNL if they are not able to solve it. The support persons are OK and at par with SIFY tech support. At least, they don’t tell less lies as SIFY technical support usually does.

The duration of solving a problem is one day and so far it is true; MTNL has managed to solve each of the two problems in less than one day that came in the three months of my MTNL broadband connection usage so far.

Also, the IVRS system is better than SIFY as it does not RNA (Ring No Answer), does not go to loop (you keep on pressing the right keys but the call never goes to the Customer Support person) and does not disconnect frequently.

Rating for MTNL technical support: 5/10

Business Model At the place of my SIFY connection (Sector 3, Dwarka), SIFY was providing service through their franchisee (called CTO – Cable TV Operator): CAT Cable network.

The technicians were hardly 10th or 12th pass and didn’t know ABCD of networking and troubleshooting. I could easily find this because they used to come to my house for attending my complaint, they were not able to make the network diagram of their broadband setup at NSIT, they didn’t know how to fill the call sheet and talked irrelevant things not at all related to the problem troubleshooting.

So, how are they supposed to solve the broadband issues – by trial and error or calling SIFY technicians who were technically little above them.

The reason I used SIFY broadband for more than two years despite such negative experiences was that I wasn’t having the choice of using other broadband ISP’s earlier.

Rating of SIFY business model: 3/10

MTNL provides direct maintenance for all the broadband problems – last mile as well within their broadband cloud itself. They don’t have the concept of CTO/BA (Business Associate) like SIFY.

Thus the downtime in case of broadband problems is less as the persons supporting the broadband network are from MTNL and not from some other company.

In case of some hardware failure – expensive or inexpensive at last mile, MTNL knows that it has to repair or replace it and there is no tussle with some other party.

Rating of MTNL business model: 8/10

Connection Speed

In the daytime, the download speed  of my 256Kbps connection was usually in the range of 25-30 KBps connection but in night, it usually fluctuated in between 10 – 50 KBps (in night I was suppose to get 512 Kbps) for up to 512Kbps download connection. SIFY could never sort out this fluctuating download speed in night time. They offered me excuses of virus hitting, UDP flooding, network interference and too many users using the connection simultaneously (in actual- over subscription greed and poor network configuration).

You would likely keep pulling your hair like me wondering if SIFY internet connection at night is broadband or dialup. The answer is that it becomes dialup connection in the night. Showing picture of bullet train in their broadband client’s authentication program was the biggest joke. I suggested them to paste the picture of bullock cart in night time to correctly reflect the actual speed of their broadband connection but they never did it.

Rating for SIFY broadband speed: 4/10

Out of maximum 512 Kbps download speed for my present broadband plan, I have been mostly (> 98%) getting 55 – 60 KBps throughput (1 Byte = 8 bit) whenever I have used the connection in day/night on average of 4-5 hours per day.

So, I have not felt the need to check the packet loss (except once- twice) as the download speed has been close to the promised download speed.

Rating for MTNL broadband speed: 9/10

Cost of connection

I usually was taking PN51 pack that offered Unlimited 256 Kbps download speed in daytime and 512 Kbps download speed in the night and it used to cost me Rs. 1122 approx.

This price excluded the cost of half an hour that I was spending on average per day on troubleshooting or lodging the complaint, coordinating and supervising with SIFY for my broadband connection problems.

Rating for SIFY connection cost: 6/10

Presently, I have Rs. 999 unlimited download broadband plan with Rs. 50 as modem rent totalling to Rs. 1049 p.m  with 100 free calls.

The cost of the MTNL connection is less than a SIFY connection which used to cost me Rs. 1122 p.m for a half time 256Kbps connection. There were no free calls with SIFY internet connection.

Rating for MTNL cost: 8/10

Downtime

In more than two years of SIFY broadband usage, it has been down for an average 2 hours per day, i.e., 2 days per month equaling to 7 % downtime which is pretty high.

Rating for SIFY downtime: 3/10

During my total usage of three months of broadband connection, the total downtime for MTNL connection has been a total of 12 hours which comes to 0.55 %. SIFY connection downtime was 13 times as compared to MTNL connection downtime.

Rating for MTNL downtime: 9/10

Overall Attitude I have experiences where SIFY technicians and bosses have told lies to me. SIFY didn’t provide complete UPS power backup at the last mile through which I was getting broadband connection but they told me that they have complete backup. Now, SIFY people consider customers as fool, I came to know this easily as I got Destination host unreachable on pinging to the gateway or network cable unplugged depending upon the point of power failure.

Similarly they told lies about the 24 hour support (they had limited support till 20:30), packet loss issues (they never got the cabling and the signal strength etc. tested at my end) and SMS response from 54545 in short period (I mostly didn’t get response in days) etc.

I used to get a lot of calls if I did cc to top bosses in emails but at the core the problem still remained where it was. The two examples are packet loss issue and UPS backup. SIFY couldn’t get these issues resolved even after I emailed/spoke to their top bosses.

Most of the people in SIFY spoke to me in English while their CTO staff spoke to me in Hindi. For international users, this might be a slightly plus point as compared to MTNL staff who mostly speaks Hindi.

However, I don’t mind in communicating in Hindi or English, the only thing that I want is that message should be conveyed and intended work of technical problem/other issues should be.

The overall attitude of SIFY team was unprofessional with most of the people telling lies boasting about their service whereas the truth was opposite. The calls received in reference to a complaint by me were too many but the work done for solving the issue was less or nil.

Rating for overall attitude (SIFY): 3/10

I have not experienced any lies from MTNL end directly or indirectly (through their call centre) so far related to their services till now.MTNL is a government concern with good infrastructure and carefree attitude as the staff gets their monthly salary on time irrelevant of they boast about their services or not.

MTNL employees and their outsourced call centre executives mostly converse in Hindi and not in English. Till so far, they have always tried to help me with reference to the help needed for my MTNL broadband connection when ever required.

Rating for overall attitude (MTNL): 7/10

Total marks SIFY: 26/70 MTNL: 53/70

At the end, I hope that this article including the two other posts (links posted in this post) will help everyone looking for a good Indian broadband ISP especially those who are taking new Internet broadband connection.


With SIFY connection, stress, tension, the feeling of getting harassed and cheated by sweet story tellers but not action takers comes naturally. The company should ideally be Asatyam Infoway as most of their people are liars. If you are old, have less hair, patient of blood pressure problems and other diseases that get elevated by anger and depression,  I would strictly advise not to ever take SIFY broadband connection as it can lead to worse situation making you suffer more!

MTNL connection is also not perfect but stands at better position as compared by me point by point from my real life experience.

What are your comments about these two ISP’s – MTNL and SIFY? Feel free to post our comments!

Wish you happy broadband surfing hoping that the tips of this post and the related ones of mine helps you in selecting the right one.

Rajesh

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